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The Bottom Feeder's avatar

So I have always tried not to talk about politics in my public discussion. There's already too much of that. But I'm getting uncomfortably close with all of this. So I am going to try to keep things more abstract and away from concrete political issues.

Also, I don't want to talk too much about "socialism", because everyone uses that word to mean something different these days. My wife grew up behind the Iron Curtain, and in my house, when "socialism" is brought up, it means a very specific thing. We aren't fans.

But you may not use that word to mean total state control of the economy. So it's a discussion unlikely to produce more light.

Anyway, thanks for the great comments! I'm flattered to be worth the time.

EDIT: Someone came in and posted the same comment 1000 times. I banned the user, but I can find no "Remove all comments by user" option. Am I missing something obvious? This is definitely a feature that should be there.

(I wish I could pin comments.)

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Have you ever worked an actual job in your life? Not in high-school or part-timing during college - actual full-time, have-to-do-it-for-the-next-30-years job. If I recall your bio correctly, you never did. That would explain why you romanticise them - the actual jobs, including the ones which are the biggest service to community, suck and have always sucked. Just read Bukowski for reference. The menial jobs like fixing potholes suck for obvious reasons, while the white collar "information society" jobs suck because they always involve working on hopelessly complicated problems (whether it's improving the Windows kernel at MS or improving economic policy at a government agency) with a large group of uncoordinated people.

People over centuries have sometimes gone as far as murder only to avoid working in jobs. Now, we're finally (and perhaps temporarily) in a state where many ordinary people can somehow sustain themselves for years without having to work. They often put those years into pursuit of their art, with a hope that it'll generate income. Even if it doesn't, working diligently at your craft is very good for you, and much better than alternatives of drinking and gambling that people have often chosen in the past.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the society runs and have always ran on economic exploitation and under threat of starvation ("get to work or else") - and the US is currently a wealthy and happy enough place that it's perhaps temporarily ran out of people to exploit, hence there isn't enough people to fix those potholes for cheap.

So, I posit, if millions of people can "waste" time pursuing their hobbies such as art, it should be celebrated, not lamented. It testifies to how much the US "has arrived" as a society. If, like you say, this state is temporary (which I believe it is - there should be a leveling of global living standards happening in this century), then the problem will just self-correct itself as the country gets less wealthy.

Also, most people don't have the resources to sustain themselves while they work on failed indie games for their entire life. Most of them will perhaps give it a shot for a couple of years and then (begrudgingly) join or re-join the workforce. They'll still end up giving decades of their lives to The Machine, so there's no major harm in them indulging themselves for a couple of years.

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