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Two Thoughts and a Question:

1. I can't help but think of all the fantasy settings that almost immediately undermine death, just as a general concept, in their setting by making resurrection possible, or directly confirming the existence of gods/afterlife. That kind of thing just completely ruins the universality of death, the parallels in the fiction to our own Human Experience, and as a result cheapens every fictional death in the setting, whether the characters come back or not. There's something seriously wrong with your story, I think, if the common cold is tougher to get over than the a date with the reaper.

2. How do we reconcile making character deaths meaningful in an RPG with the fact that most (almost all) RPG systems are predicated on serial mass-murder? Sure, it's often the case that our "designated victims" are inhuman monsters, or contrived to be inherently evil to avoid the issue entirely, but it's still a *massive* amount of blood on our heroes'/players' hands, and I don't think I've ever seen an RPG where the "good guys" don't wind up having a higher specific body count than the "bad guys." Which isn't to say I don't think it's possible to write compelling and engaging death scenes with characters who've killed a lot, obviously that's not the case, but rather that there's the kind of weird tension in RPGs, specifically, where we're expected to care about the deaths of friendly NPCs/PCs, but not to think about our potential moral culpability in murdering 600 goblins or whatever.

Question: I'm curious what you think makes for more effective (friendly) character death: something pre-scripted, where the character(s) dies in a scripted and predetermined manner (EG Aeris in Final Fantasy 7), versus more reactive scenes, where the death is or can potentially be a consequence of the player's actions (EG Wrex in Mass Effect 1). Does giving the player agency in the scene make it more powerful, or does it rob the death of its power by enabling players to "game" the whole system and avoid the death entirely? Or better yet, a "Kobayashi Maru" scenario where the player's actions will lead to a deadly outcome no matter what they do, but *who* dies can vary based on what they do and/or random variables, making the meta-gaming goal not about evading the death, but about killing or saving one character over another.

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Jan 2Edited

The characters that died during the Red wedding were main characters in the first several books, but they were not main characters in later books.

You don't have to view the books as part of one grand series, with the same main characters.

And it's debatable whether some of the killed were actually main characters, for example Rob Stark, he didn't actually have any chapters focused from his point of view in any of the books—main character?? Probably not.

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